The question of the topic should be re-instated; Isn't Vista too much? The effects are spilling all over the place. They are beautiful, but all that glow and ultra fluff overloads both physically and visually. There's no point to compare the rendering of the text and how much of it is just blue links. And as for who copies from who: If people let their memory slip away, you ought to check out WWDC summer 2006 and be blown away by how much MS is copying Apple, much outside the software. Apple broke out with the gloss way back since the earliest versions of Mac OS X. Before anyone have *****d their style of buttons and icons to the max, Apple came forth with the timeless drop down reflections. It was on their site design, buttons, icons and virtually everywhere. Almost every major company is advertising their products using Apple-like design. And that's not something to be ashamed of. It is crazy how much MS copies off of Apple. Literally. The effects in Vista are beautiful no doubt about that part. The icons are (finally) good looking. I mean, it's what, 2007? Mac OS X had top to bottom native big gorgeous icons since 2001. The same goes for the see-through title bar effect, which has already been evolved from on the mac since Jaguar. The imagery MS uses is the same exact images Apple used in their advertisement. These may be purchased copyrights, but still, using the same exact thing layout and content for promotions is incompetently sly. And by the way, I own a 360.