There will always be AntiMS feelings, even among hardcore windows users. You can't please everyone, and thats the basic jist of it. Personally, on most of my machines, I go with a basic 9X style theme, if possible, reguardless of the OS (which only like 2 out of my 7 or 8 computers run Windows). Its unobtrusive, simple, and doesnt take much space. That's my feelings, and I'm sure there are just as many who disagree. Thats the nice thing about computers, there are so many options, that we don't have to use the same thing. As far as the menu bar, is it just me, or does having to hit a keyboard combo to be able to view menus seem counter productive? With most other systems, if the menu isn't readily available on the window, its either placed elsewhere, or appears when you move the cursor into the space that the menus would normally appear. Just most schools of thought for productivity like to use the keyboard only, or the mouse only, not alot of mixing for simple tasks.